[JTL 93] Who am I?

Who am I?

 

The question what humans find out, right?

Probably a squirrel does not wonder too much about this question, nor even a shark.
But what if a shark actually got it's time to wonder that what the fuck am I doing constantly swimming around in the depths of this ocean and biting out the life out of other swimmers and basically from time to time reproducing myself, meanwhile I am well fed at times and I stop looking after satisfaction but then after I feel hungry again and go after others again.

Look: all animals are doing the same: going after what they meant to be and if we look them: they are quite busy - unless actually they are literally doing nothing: we all know how cats do, but when they are in move, they are indeed act busy.

Animals are like animated aspects of systematic representation of our symbolic patterns what we exactly live as who we are as humans, yet they are individual beings in their own process of Self-realization, just like us, humans, anyone is disabled to see it - no offense but obviously doesn't have a clue, better to acknowledge: animals are aware, whether we like it or not. We are not here to use them, they are not here to abuse them, they are us as equals as well, they are like humans:

Some humans are like deers, just grazing and running, and some are really predators and do hunting weaker ones.
Some humans are moving with their houses and some animals do the same, some live in caves, some fly every day.
Some humans are lonely, some are living in crowd: same as animals.

Animals are pre-programmed, preordained evolutionary results of specific intents - not random, not free and certainly not darwinism. For years my goal was to prove Darwinism wrong, then I realized I do not need to, it is obviously here - and then I made the joke for some that 'well, what should be my purpose now, that is not needed to'.

So then I've found myself to be this abstract life-force who can be anything but actually for a decade having the mind-flash exactly on this - as a Space Tribe music's track I've listened to so many times:

"You can be anything, you can be Shiva, Krishna, You can be anything this time around, You can be anyone "

- and then I've realized having the time with artists, musicians, painters, dancers etc while taking acid; I've realized by default I am not expressing myself as them - but if I can be anyone, - what I was quite sure but I had no physical reference to prove - so then I should prove to myself that I can be really anyone by being an artist - who I was certainly not. So I seemed myself as not programmed to be artist - by DNA, by family, by school, by media, by MYSELF - but I was like, if I can change this, if I can prove that I can change myself to be even an artist what people say it is a talent, can not be 'acquired' - then I could prove that I really can be anyone and THEN I can figure out who I really want to be and actually BE - so that was a some sort of plan.

I had some abilities - what I've seen as given, so to speak: pre-programmed, good with math, logic, machines, computers, - stubborn, for instance for meditation I was able to sit for days with no other reason but I've decided to - not the occupado mantra counting visualization shit, but the staring the candle in inner silence stuff, anything comes up, I am letting go, I am empty, I am clear thing -  I did not care how much I need to sit, I was like I sit until required and I had my breakthrough for proving that it is not really helping - but I need to act, in physical interaction I must do things, among others, so I dropped meditation really and started to go to areas what I had resistance to for instance doing music what I always felt I am bad with, I was shy and fearful with people, with children so I went to do that and that already assisted to realize I can change but in that time I had no relevant Self-support tools, only energy manipulation self-occupations just like mantras, tantras, drugs; what are so imperfect in relation to desteni tools, oh man - but people do not even see that because it's all pre-programmed, and the only thing to un-program it is Self-honesty.

So, humans are as well pre-programmed, as animals, as body, as behavior, just see the DNA - determines so much and we are programmed to not grasp our creation with our dearest jewel we are all blessed and cursed with together: the mind consciousness, which is indeed a system. Equated mathematically to fit each and every single human to contain and direct, to control and drive, to contaminate and to destroy so then they all die equally inevitably without enough time to see the whole thing through by being occupied all the time with all types of reactions and actions what is so demanding for attention, attraction for the feelings, emotions, thoughts, that attenuated our interest anything else but our own experience of proof that by that we claim to be real, hohoho, not just that, but life.
Humans have this external programming as well, by words, in and as the mind, just like their head is growing so big, that they have to come out from mother soon, before being well developed or they would not fit out - the same as their mind will be grow as well, filled with stuff they will be programmed to be in the first 7 years...

What is life, what can be life and who can define what life in fact is?

If we think that life is of cells what reproduce and consume and mutate then it is called cancer.

Then we can refine: is that we can live together in a sustainable system? Are we able to do so?

Is this what we have currently sustainable? I am not far fetched to infinity which is surely a great compass to what we should accept and allow as principle to consider to live through who we accept ourselves to be, but just say 100 years, not much if we consider some granny, grand-granny in relation to human culture and if we see the facts that it is clear we are not life as in a decade we will have serious issues with poisoned water, deforestation, dying seas and the bees are going away, many-many things as those do not serve consciousness so then not supported - same as in human system who do not make profit are not supported to live, that is tough - is this life?

One can tell that 'I am life, I am not bad, I am straight good, I am in peace, in love' meanwhile I just turn my head from that person 5% aside and see others as the opposite - which one matters if both is here? Both is here equally, I can draw a mean line and say then it is nor good, nor bad - or say we are both, good and bad, the great balance, the yin and yang and we are both, we accept some being freaking cool and accept some being extremely screwed.
Well, I can not tell people who to be but I am sure that what anyone accepts in any way whatsoever it is that what is being accepted as equal as one.

Whine about the corporations and military experiment on bio weaponry accidents, sure - it is we are as well - deny it and laugh - it is still here, it is still does what it is and in fact it is irrelevant that we do accept it or not, it is here as human creation.

If one does not take responsibility for what is here - it does not 'helps' humanity - it is still here what we are accepting and allowing here.

See, I am wondering, I have this inner movement and not really seeing what it is but drives me, it is me but I am not seeing until I am not expressing it out, here, into and as this physical reality.

I am still at zero point - not exactly zero, but within accumulation it is still somewhere around zero.
I still see myself as I can be anyone, not exactly but I can be who I am right here today, that's already here.
I can be who I wanted to be, not as I am today, but I imagined myself to be and I am not fully sure.
I am sure that I do not want to be who I imagined myself to be.
Quite early I've seen I could be soldier, everything I've given to that, athletic body, fast brain, great reflexes, ability to adapt and learn quickly and not think once concluded things but I've realized it is a feeling of power and it is not really me.

I could be musician, I am sure - push that button in me, and from a point walk from studio to stage, from party to festival, from station to halls, shows, but as I see it is from a feeling.
I do not trust feelings. Feelings are good for me, sure, but is it really good if I consider all?

I could be filmmaker, I have this click within me and I am it, I am doing it and I push myself and I take roles and do - from location to to studio, from editing room to festival, from green screen to price award but I see it is from a feeling as well.
Within the feeling I see positive, and when I see positive, I see negative as well - shall I look only the positive?
The negative does not disappear, only I do not see it anymore but it is still here - as not feeling positive about not feeling good, so then if I feel good, then I do not stop the negative, only I have positive as well. Do I need one or both? Who I could be without any of these? First was the negative, then the positive came - If I see the negative, it is also as dependent on the positive as the positive on the negative - strange but both seems quite unsure.

I could be IT manager, later director, that way is already in the move in my life, I am just growing over being a shoveling man, I see through that, I see how managers click, just practice, diligence, motivation and procedure - but I do not see it is relevant for who I am - it is just what I've manifested myself to be today. I do not judge it, I do not deny it, it is who I am, but it is not all who I am.

I see great possibilities and all my life was to find out who I am and what I want to lock on and do it with no doubt, with no question, only being the answer.

What is sure that Desteni tools and principles are the only thing within me what are clear, no doubt about those and already locked on - so not really need to think even for a moment, if you know what I mean, you certainly do, so:

I want to support the practical solution for manifesting practical equality wherein it is beyond any question that a newborn is getting great quality life by default on the physical level: food, shelter, medical care, education. That is a some sort of purpose, goal for me I see this as clearly as this screen I am typing to these words currently.

Because until that is not manifested on earth for any reason - I am that reason what is not really me but who I accept and allow myself to be and for that reason I am here to understand, to stand up as equal as one and to change, to remove, because that reason for why any human being is disregarded so utterly, I see as evidence, as purpose as for what I must stand up to stop otherwise who I am as All Life Equally is compromised, is blocked, is suppressed, is not real.

And I investigate, and research, and I learn, and I realize and when required, I un-learn and I stop, and I do not hesitate, when I am almost unclear, then I re-align and I stand as this principle: Equal Life for ALL on the physical level, what is also required for me. This is common sense, should be absolutely common for all to grasp simply in and as one breath, that what I am required to live, others as well require. Not the golden toilet, you screwed bulltard, not the 500 rolls royce in your backyard, you idiot, not the 2.4billion$ stealth bomber - see, that is who I am, that is what I accept, that is here.

And then one says to me: well, Tala, you have problems enjoying your life because you are not getting love - well - I have my love, certainly: I 'have' destonians who are damn right have integrity, I have fine olive oil what from I really feel as king with a salad and I have my life, what is in fact a programmable organic robot which has certain amount of days left to do whatever I DECIDE. I am sure I can make my living even on the streets or in offices or on the field or anywhere in the system, that is sure - I've proven that already, but the more I walk this process of Self-honesty, I see less and less relevant myself to be interested in because the more I investigate and forgive - the less I am in the way exploring what is here as reality and what are the Self-honest priorities to embrace what Life SHOULD BE. And that is who I am.

Attention
Interest
Decision
Action

I've seen this in a movie recently and so:
My attention is what is here on earth, as the physical.
Interest is that I want each human equally fed, educated, taken care physically
Decision is to use my human physical body on my attention for my interest.
Action is every day considering what is best for all(including myself) equally and accumulating common sense in action.

Simple - most simple thing ever.

Complication? Problem. Complete implication that I am not here, I am con-fined within and as my mind-plate implant of accumulation of self-dishonesty, which is required to re-align and accumulate Self-honesty in action. Until the end. Point. End.

That is simply who I am that is what I commit myself to walk with people coming from and with Desteni - I am not fully sure what it means but I've seen the group in action and I do not trust in individuals, I trust in myself as principle within the group.

It is not really a personal game - anyone thinks so - personality is problem, the person is an ally of self-interest, what is not the group's interest, will go out, nothing personal, it is simple. The System is honest - will deal with the interest of that self.

So practical steps:

When I speak - really speak - I have feelings in and as my human physical body - many - just like groups of snakes moving around and it is from solar plexus, from fear. That I investigate here.

I speak in confidence, it feels good, really like I am comparing myself to ones who I've observed and judged as speaking with confidence, clarity, being direct and simple.

That I feel as good, because I never had that and anytime I experienced it with anyone - I've judged it as 'wow, great' - meanwhile compared myself to others: well, not so great.

And this was on for decades, at least 30 now, but a bit more. So then at times when I forget to judge, I forget to fear, it is no energy, I express, I am direct, I am clear, I am here.
But when I decide, when I direct myself to speak clearly, directly - meanwhile not following a schema, not expressing what I am already but exploring what is in the constantly new moment as myself as direct, sound expression as my voice - then this feeling comes.
Feeling good, compared to feel bad, feeling strong, compared to weak, feeling confident, compared to being doubtful, feeling powerful, comparing to little, feeling direct, comparing to separate etc.

And that are the layers within and as me when speaking, that for this moment I see here what influences me, what reacts me, with what I automatically generate energy, what is for not being fully here, but in and as of this layers of my mind consciousness through I am this person.
One can say, let's disregard those, and speak directly, do not look after the feelings, the comparison, but the thing is that it is in and as my human physical body - I feel those automatically, I can pretend not feel, but it's still here - I can ignore, I can let go but in fact if I do not know how I've created, how I am initiating the reaction, then how I want to stop it?

So I see what I have as these word-based layers on each aspect of this energy: memory, feeling, second thought, association...
Feeling good, compared to feel bad, feeling strong, compared to weak, feeling confident, compared to being doubtful, feeling powerful, comparing to little, feeling direct, comparing to separate, being me versus not me etc.

what is good when sounds clear, strong, understandable
what is bad when muffled, uncertain, forced, weak, not loud enough,
what is strong when each word is like a flying rock
what is weak when words are like soap bubbles what burst after saying when facing anything
what is confident when it is of facts, nothing can shake those out with any opinion
what is doubtful when it is not sure, it is of opinion, it is of fear, it is of feeling
what is powerful when it has impact and changes what is here before being said
what is little when being said changes nothing, being irrelevant
what is direct when no thinking, preparation, but immediate, in the moment from empty clarity
what is separate when comes from thoughts, memory, from assumption, of combinations
what is being me when I act and do the same undoubtedly, proven by time and facts
what is being not me when I realize I lie, when I manipulate, when I say and not act the same

So then this I can investigate to see when my words are not Living Words in relation what I do and be and say are not equal as one here in and as physical.

Investigate as I am not really satisfied anymore with a feeling of 'ah, I realized this shit, alright, I feel good now, from now on I will change' - I do not trust that, as it is of feeling, of thoughts, of mind - will not last, I do not lean onto this experience, as it is conditional, it is not directly me here.

So within investigation I write the starting point, the first experience, the creation, the participation, the memory and each time I see accumulation - I correct, I re-align, I stop, I breathe, I change, I remain empty, I do it until I am clearly empty and I check and I see, and I move.

Every day - and any given day it is still here - it is me, it is who I am and it is my decision to be the interest of stop energy so I see the journey ahead, not exactly but see what I must walk each day and I see that every day I step and I accumulate the purification, the decompose of accumulation of energy creation and each day I am more direct, here.

And I see, it is not one day, week, year - I do not see as relevant how many time - I walk, I walk every day until I am not direct here and when I am direct here - I am not stopping until my purpose, my Life is not equal with and as all as food, shelter, education, body/health care is not guaranteed to each human - and then I move on and I engage other Equal Life Responsibilities - but until it is not given to each - there is no need another purpose.
So my purpose to stop energy within and directly express Equal Life - meanwhile, every day.

That is not really an activism but it seems so - I stand out and I take attention, I walk into conflict by saying this is life and anything less isn't. That is alright, this is my home, this is who I am and this is where you can stand with and as me as equals, nowhere else.

• Participate within Equal Money System as an ongoing research to what is best for all practically with Common Sense
• Join Desteni I Process for Re-align with Equal as All Life within Education
• Listen Self-support interviews at EQAFE

Share your words, sound your words, make sure your doubts are dealt with Common sense within Self-honesty before judgment and Decision and action.

Thank you for your cooperation as Life

[JTL 80] Desteni eyewitness: It is Real

Artwork: Manuela Destonian

My name is József Berta, many people know me as Talamon, which is just a nickname I've got in childhood and kept it. I was born in Szeged in 1979, living in Budapest, Hungary

I have qualification of bookkeeping, economy and programming mathematics, software engineering - not that it really matters but it gives some perspective about my initial education.

I am here writing about how I've joined the Desteni Research Group through the Equal Life Foundation in 2007 August, when I've started the Investigation.

Before I found the Desteni principles, people, group:
I was always fascinated about how creation and things really work and that I never stopped looking for.
While I was student, I was looking into different kind of 'revelations' from mainstream 'science' in terms of what is reality and who we are as humans. I was fascinated with history, biology, archeology meanwhile learning computer science quite easily and what I realized was that science and history could not give me the answers I was looking for.

Especially after realizing the message of the books on history of our last century which promoted development, evolution, liberalism, democracy and human rights meanwhile the deliberate, pre-meditated environmental exploitation and human slavery combined with destruction and genocide has never stopped until this day.

At university my partner studied psychology and had some new perspectives suggested me to consider looking into myself to find what I was looking for. That was the idea of re-birthing myself and letting go my past and become someone who is living freely and that fascinated me.
Later on as in that book suggested, I was introduced to psychedelic drugs, that gave me a push to investigate existence with a fresh perspective when I was unable to define and yet experiencing myself and the reality here with no ability to grasp by any definition or knowledge and that was a literally mind-blowing experience what forced me to find real answers and be able to stabilize myself within this no-mind experience in the year of 2002.
I was walking quite some years within several kind of methodologies, belief systems, techniques, practices and symbolism especially psychedelic/shamanic/trance and spiritual/eastern/zen/tibetan buddhist mind-techniques; however around 2007 I ended up facing the fact that my life did not work:

I was unable to work effectively, remain here as clear, confident and calm because I was always busy within my mind and reacting to things based on all of the knowledge and information what I've walked through and I had experiences with and defined myself as: ruined family, failed relationships, tons of extreme experiences what most people would define insane however I was always pushing my limits, I was always frustrated with my own limitations what made me more and more radical in terms of considering point of views and starting points.

Especially I was fascinated with the delusion of enlightenment and consciousness expansion what within I've taken refugee in my mind while disregarding the physical but always until the point of falling and hitting the rock bottom and losing everything I had. Even faced death some times and always started my life again from scratches time to time meanwhile I've became more and more unsure and confused, angry to myself and suppressive with my emotions while remaining positive and hopeful and trying to find something or somebody to tell me what to do and how to do it and everything seemed to just compound and that was kind of too much sometimes...

After returning from Asia, where I've seen my proof for gurus and masters(con men) are normal guys just like anybody else(if you think different: try to live with them and see with your own eyes: practical solutions for changing this planet to a better place for all: they cannot provide, only with justifications). For the first time I had internet at home and I was busy searching for anything unusual and mind-blowing 'TRUTH' when I've found a Desteni Interview with Sunette on the topic of the Principle of Equality and Oneness and the Practical Self-realization as Change and Stopping with Applying of Self-forgiveness, what bugged my mind for ever and I kept watching Desteni videos and read Desteni articles more and more and at one point when listened a video on the Mind Consciousness System this very sentence hit me like a meteor:

Each and every single human being is equally responsible for the current manifestation of earth.

I always seen the world as not really a nice place especially coming from poor family and seen poverty in Asia and Africa: that was shocking for me. There is no justification with I could 'return' to my 'ordinary' life and seek after self-interest and entertainment meanwhile knowing that for some reason: this same system is giving hell for many while others are occupied within positive feelings.
Within watching the History of Mankind, the Design of and the System Demon interviews everything I knew made sense in my life for the first time and I could really stop this addiction for information and knowledge about what happened because studying the history and system, existence, mind designs shared by Desteni I was able to comprehend what is going on in terms of who I am and what I must walk to experience who I really am without the noise of the mind, what I had extensive amount of 'research' and 'investigation' with already through the techniques, substances I did but for the first time I was able to understand why I am experiencing things and started to make sense to walk my mind backwards to stop each participation one by one with the Process of Self-forgiveness.

I've started my own Process by making the Stand that I must change by myself because otherwise I will end up dead before realizing what is really going on here and one thing I was sure about: when is 'peace' within me and most of the time I was not so peaceful and the process starts with stopping conflict within by understanding and knowing myself to be able to prevent myself going into the conflict zone of the mind to explore what is here beyond the mind as reality.

As suggested for Walking Self-forgiveness publicly, I've started this blog in 2008, http://talamon.blogspot.com to make visible for anyone what I am doing and dealing with and realizing and letting go. Meanwhile I've started to do VLOGS as Talamoon@Youtube first and then starting an other channel with my birth name: Jozsef Berta to make sure I do not hide behind fake name and take responsibility for what I stand. Also I am sharing Self-supportive Tweets here since a while.
Obviously I am promoting myself and my writings, videos(which I never could imagine doing so before) because I am aware of that it is Self-support for those who can hear and it is also a reference point to make sure that I live what I share here and take responsibility for myself and what I represent because within this process, credibility and trust must be earned through consistency of Principled Living which can be manifested through walking and sharing 7 years of Journey to Life Blogging/Vlogging.

This kind of starting point, tools, 'lifestyle' is not yet common but eventually will be - therefore I am One individual among many who walk similar Process. Because within the current system the things promoted as 'self-realization' and 'spiritualism' is not really the solution.

Because regardless how much I've pushed the spiritual or psychedelic practices, my foundation was not stable as was of opinions, perceptions, assumptions and hopes, beliefs driven by fear and inferiority and all of those 'methods' only worked until I used those and in the minute I've stopped doing the 'mantra' or 'meditation' or the 'effect of the drug' went off I was again within conflict and compounding frustration about not being powerful enough to change my reality. And also I've noticed that the spiritual practice gave me refugee from my and the world's shit only for the time I was doing it - I've stopped the compassion mantra meditation after 3 hours and walking on the street, slowly but surely every judgment came back what I always wanted to fight, battle, win which obviously did not really work for long term.

And by studying the Desteni Material there was a moment when I've realized the Self-dishonesty within my starting point and I was able to acknowledge to myself that I've been lying to myself all the while and that's why I always determined my life to fall by wanting to destroy my creation in the hope of building up a better one but within unconscious/subconscious personality manifestation as self-automation I always ended up re-creating and being the same scared guy.

I am able to re-align myself with and as the Principle of All as One as Equal as Life within Oneness and Equality and from that moment if I motivate/direct/push/express myself within Self-honesty - I was/am able to see that with this starting point: all what I participated within in the name of Self-realization was the total opposite: Self-limitation, Self-delusion, Self-dishonesty, fear; therefore the common sense is to stop those and stop reacting myself to inner dialogues/feelings/energies because all spiritualism is of and as the mind.

All drugs effect the mind. The Light is of the mind. Love is of fear and the only Real is what is here within and as this Phyiscal existence which is very much aware, much more how the human mind can even comprehend. The only way to explore Life is through Practical Equality within what we are all equally aware of our responsibility and starting point within and as Creation. Yet this does not mean I do not have humor and fun and actually enjoy myself and others - but facing what is here as ourselves already is sometimes tough, painful and that can not be avoided either.

So I've made the Decision to Stop The Mind as I was always looking the best practical way for that to stop the thoughts, feelings, emotions within all of those activities/passivities - however with the Desteni way I've found common sensical, measurable, mathematically understandable, cross-referenceable Practical Awareness as becoming the Living Word literally:

Within the starting point of Self-honesty I am writing Self-forgiveness, what I realize as not who I really am or what I do not want to remain like that because it is not supporting me and others  as I've realized that point is dishonest, nasty, selfish etc.
I write it down because thoughts come and go, I will not remember what I thought 2 days ago exactly after six thirty before sitting there with somebody. But if I write it down - I am directing myself to slow down and word by word I express myself and I experience and direct myself writing the words, I stop, I am empty and am able to see the words I 'contain' and that remains here.

That I forgive: I give for myself a new opportunity to stop and change within that particular point within and as myself and see what is beyond meanwhile being here as undefined, empty, clear, 'dark within'(infinity), yet aware, present and directive and expressive. Sounds like poetry however it is very possible.

For instance stealing from people or smiling to someone while thinking evil about the person or even the act of thinking on something I worry about can be traced back point by point and layer by layer of Self-defined excuses and justifications of why I am accepting myself to automatically react and limit myself based on Fear and Self-interest to not be fully present in each moment equally, constantly within Responsibility.

That I write down and I put everything from my mind in front of me, to paper, to screen as words and I am honest with myself - and I investigate and cross-reference everything and I realize what part of me is dishonest and that I forgive unconditionally and by writing, saying aloud, as I want to change - I am change, I am what I want, direct and express: what I write, what I say and what I do - equalization and unification as the Living Word here on Earth without the mind.
Sounding the Self-forgiveness: I am becoming aware of the patterns what directs me by my own permission and I take back the direction from reactions in mind to direction as Self here.
If I say the word - I experience am I clear, am I direct, am I determined and is here something coming up as reaction? I stop that too and I consider what is the best for me and others and I re-align the meaning of words, I re-define my relationship with myself and my reality through and as words.

This is the most practical way to stop the noise of the mind as we entail and consist of and operate through and as: words - therefore I investigate the words I contain, I open up the relationships I accept within and I dare myself to stop the automatic self-definitions one by one until I am empty within and I can be here, I can use the words without the noise, I can be the words as expression directly.

I was always looking for a truth, a real, life-changing, cross-reference-able, universal, obviously empowering, real truth. That I've found with the assistance and support with Desteni. Before that - I was looking for truth everywhere, I've did so many things but never found it really - because I've looked everywhere else but here as myself.

I am my own creation and any separation and limitation I face - is myself as the reality within which I exist can not be separated from me - only to perceive so - and as I let go the inner 'perceived' self - I can embrace more and more the outer reality as myself, being in this world but not of this world yet direct what is Here as Unification as I am with no separation in and out. Fascinating stuff.

That I am always equal and one with what is here as myself and any separation is of this paranoise as Mind as thoughts/feelings/emotions as I've manifested myself separated from my real physical body within perception which through I filter out what is real based on my self-interest to avoid facing the reason of my fear of loss of realizing the fact that what is my starting point is not real therefore the common sense is to let go in each moment all definitions, reactions, thoughts, feelings, emotions.
This single sentence can make sense if one dares to consider what it means.

This is still simply the application of practical Self-forgiveness: before the reaction I participate within - I am already aware of the self-automation and I make the decision to not go into the same pattern what I've walked many times and I acknowledged to myself that always leads to the same point wherein I will not be satisfied as myself but facing limitation and frustration so I do not even go into patterns in the first place.

I've got quite amount of support and assistance at Desteni forum and chats and within Desteni I Process course what with I was able to release the not really practical and ground to earth spiritual definition systems and I was able to start trusting myself here and explore what is NOT Self-honesty and what I must understand, decompose, stop and let go entirely.

Since 6 years I was and still I am busy with Desteni. The reason is that because the Destonian way, as we like to refer ourselves is in fact a Principle, a starting point what within one can align with and stand and live.

The destonian way is simple to understand:

-Investigate all things and keep which is good
-Give as you would like to receive
-Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself
-Basic principle is Equality and Oneness as All as Equal as One as Life

The Desteni group has done an extensive amount of research in many areas of our existence from which lots of thousands of publications are available online, started with it's source at http://desteni.org.

Here I stand as a direct witness and testimony that after 6 years of participation I share that I stand with full of my credibility that Desteni is what is stating, constantly, consistently since it's emergence and everything it is standing for is valid and should be taken seriously as the most practical and positive message what Earth has ever seen.

Desteni has been always in the latest research of the human mind, existence, practicality, especially with the Interdimensional Portal - completely new ideas came to surface what the group has applied and the result is already outstanding from which I pick up some what I've personally find extremely important each human to consider as solution:

Desteni I Process: An education based on all the Desteni research of how to decompose and re-align our starting point from the thoughts/feelings/emotions/memories/personalities of the Mind to actual, direct, Physical Living, to become a man, who is capable for taking responsibility for all as one as equal.

Equal Money System:
To manifest a human system within what Life has the most important value, within what the basic necessities for a healthy, nurturing, enjoyable Life is granted to ALL humans equally, wherein the money is here for to ensure that everyone is equally supported by mathematical perfection to have food, shelter, real education, health care
Equal Life Foundation: A non-profit organization what has only one goal to consider all life equally within the principle of What is Best for all

Basic Income Guaranteed: A practical way towards the Equal Money System within this, current capitalistic system wherein each citizen has guaranteed with a certain amount of Income with what can ensure that no one is left behind as currently is within the capitalism by greed and fear and in the casino system wherein the winner takes all meanwhile the others are losing.

EQAFE: A Self-perfection Portal-interview merchandise what is for supporting the Equal Life Foundation financially meanwhile establishing the foundation of an education system to ensure the future of humankind by sharing relevant and practical and real information about many aspects of existence such as after death research, history of universe, Parenting, How the Mind works, Animal awareness and many-many more series are being busy recorded and shared every day within consistency through the Portal.

These researches are can be referred as the most cutting edge and finest explorations what human has ever made and I am sure that governments, corporations and universities are good in science but Desteni is way more 'advanced' and profound than anything I've ever witnessed in terms of considering what a human being is capable of in terms of practical understanding of the Universe.

Desteni message entails that the currently manifested human existence is part of an long-term enslavement by our own manifested self-dishonesty from which we can not escape anymore but facing here on earth and this has been physically manifested into and as a Consciousness System wherein Life does not exists yet, but can be born from and as the Physical as in fact Substance is aware and we can stop the ParaNoise of the Mind to align ourselves with Life principles what can embrace and practically manifest 'What is Best for All' - within that realization we stand as Unification and that will be Real Life.

There is an extensive amount of publications made on the topic of how the actual Mind Consciousness System has been manifested, operating and how practically can be decomposed, understood and practically stopped through the tools promoted by Desteni as Writing, sharing, Self-forgiveness, Self-honesty, Self-intimacy, Self-correction and Self-commitment what can be a basic, default foundation to stabilize ourselves as Principled Living to walk the Desteni I Process to really transform ourselves from Self-interest to Interest of all(including Self).

In 2010 I've had the opportunity to visit Desteni Farm wherein the center of the group is working daily based on the principles mentioned here and I was living with them for a month and I was observing how the Portal and the Message is constant and consistent, immediate and no interviews are scripted or prepared but always direct meanwhile it is like normal, human act with no superstition and attachment.
I witnessed to something I've never imagined possible to actually see the effectiveness and consistency and it's result of many years of Walking Self-forgiveness within Self-honesty by those who started the process decades ago and I've dedicated myself and my lifetime for walking this process based on the realization that it is not fake, it is not scam, it is not trick, the Portal and the Message and the Process and the effectiveness of Desteni I Process is REAL, walkable and in fact inevitable for all.

I've got direct assistance and support personally for what I should be aware of and how to practically stop the mind and what are the points I should start with and what difficulties I will face and I am still walking the understanding and realization of many-many discussions and sessions made with the Portal directly, person to person, face to face alone, what seemed normally, with no extra effort, just like talking with a friend. It has been recorded, as mostly all Portal activity has, and many of the information has been cross-referenced and actually tested before being shared and there is still an extensive amount of Desteni Education what has not yet been shared due to the limited resources the group currently has.

Desteni group is not receiving any money or income from any government, corporate, religious or political interest and the message is clear from any hidden agendas and only being supported by those who realize the value within this new wave of education and mostly the individuals who are walking the Desteni I Process and realize the importance of the message, the destonian way and tools.

My support and trust for Desteni message, the group, the tools and it's starting point is beyond any measure and will remain so until I am breathing, that is certain with no doubt and I take full responsibility for what I express in my life especially when stating about Desteni and this is who I am and this is where I stand in existence wherever I am unconditionally.

I've done my own research and investigation with Desteni by myself alone, without any financial gain or support but by living only with the money I earned from my own job at companies in the system and I see myself as responsible not only for myself but for my reality as my family, friends, country and the planet and existence itself with no exclusion and that is my compass within the interest of all and relying on only one thing what I really trust is my own Self-honesty which is absolute here or not existing and I am aware of that this is a process to stabilize and remain consistent to become effective to embrace the current systems of humanity and have directive principle to change it as myself as equal as one to what is best for all in all ways possible.

Within my process I see that there is still much to walk through as self-delusions such as relationship-related paranoia and energy addictions towards specific mind-states what I walk through currently with the Desteni I Process Agreement Course what is invaluable within supporting and assisting me to become effective and successful in all aspects of my life, starting with the relationship with myself, with a partner and with my reality as well.

I am still not seeing myself consistent and stable as much I want to be and currently the points I am working is to become more practical to be able to support the group with my activities and research and teamwork as well. However I must state that to compare myself who I was before Desteni and who I am here today - is completely(even who knew me before Desteni) obvious that I've became more stable, strong, calm, active and directive than I was and I am able to let go and stop the noise of the mind much faster and becoming more and more relaxed while being active.

The experiences what I was after within psychedelic drugs(stopped) and meditation(stopped) in these days I can say were quite intense but to experience the same peace with myself and remain here, empty and embracing others is much more real and in fact myself than I experienced with drugs or meditation.
I was always looking for 'methods' what with I can stand up as myself to remain always the same, consistent, expressive and clear within and through walking Desteni it is becoming reality with more and more clarity.

What I am grateful for and already satisfied with is that I've stopped the seek, the search for myself, for purpose, because it is here as myself, as who I am as Life as responsible for everything I am aware of.

I've stopped to seek for a group within I could trust because I do not trust in the group as something 'out there' but I trust within the Principle what the group represents when I am walking it as myself.
The only thing currently stops me to be more and more effective and responsible in the group is my own personality what I've formed as I walk alone, I perceived that I can not trust anyone other than self however I am realizing, even within this very sentence that within the Desteni group I recognize myself within others as Principle as Equals.

So that is for now, I am open for any common sense-based, intelligent, reasonable communication with anyone but understand that the Desteni group has been faced so many haters, anonymous attackers, internet trolls and cognitive disinformation attackers that we do not deal with bullshit anymore.
The material is out there, there are forums for pick up the pace if one decides so, but I will not explain things what can be found with some keyword searches - there are specific Desteni courses for Self-education - For 'starters' Desteni I Process LITE is free and gives the basics of the Process of how to start and we focus on practical solutions and we(I as well) do not take on any debate from individuals who has not shared their research, work; are not visible and obviously not clear who they really are.

As I've mentioned that I've walked some poverty and I've realized that I can not turn back knowing that actually many people are really suffering meanwhile some are living in an utopia bought by money so I've found my purpose to manifest Human Rights for Real Living for everyone unconditionally and the most practical way I've found is being walked by Desteni therefore I stand with it. Check out Equal Life Foundation!

By walking with Desteni I understand that the Solution must come from within as the realization that no bloodshed can be justified within changing the current system and the most practical way is to change the system as ourselves through Law, Politics, therefore I am One Vote for World Equality and for an Equal Money System and that is the only political view I am giving my vote to through supporting the preparation, creation and manifestation of an Equal Life Party what within Individuals have Directive Power who has proven to stand since long and consistent years through sharing their 7 Years of Journey to Life Blogs within what is visible that they prove that this is who they really are and how are Living and Sharing day by day according to the Principle of 'What is Best for all'.

So again - I stand as a witness testimony for Desteni as what it is and it is clearly not scam or a pyramid scene or cult either - and I am sure that you do not know anything about it until you did not walk through at least one Desteni Course with absolute Commitment within the starting point of Self-honesty. In the beginning I did not believe in stuff especially Portal and CrossOver and Dimensional interviews but after all when I was able to use COMMON SENSE - I had to realize that the message, the words they say is the proof itself that it is profound, simple, relevant and assisting.

When I visited the farm and witnessed how it is working DIRECTLY - I had to let go all doubt which was fear of really considering to stop my fucking around and take responsibility for who I am and use the opportunity that I am well, educated, healthy and can actually make a difference and assist and support others for a literally better world, rather than being lost in entertainment and self-interest.

If you do not believe in me saying the Portal, the message, the tools, the destonians, the effectiveness of Process and the movement and CHANGE is REAL: investigate with objective research and find out yourself what is really real.

Desteni will blow your mind and challenge everything you knew, even about yourself and I'd suggest it's worth it - especially if you are troubled within your life - Desteni can give some perspective on practicality however your perceptions and EGO will be challenged but if I can give one advice: Be honest with yourself and see where you require assistance to cross-reference the bullshit of the mind to stop.

I will continue sharing on Desteni (meanwhile you can check out the links I've provided throughout this document: each one is picked and linked selectively).

Thank you very much:
Jozsef Berta, 2013, July 24

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Mivelhogy az egyenloség gurud blokkolt a kommentemért hogy véletlenul se tudjak egyenloen véleménytnyilvánítani, kénytelen vagyok ide válaszolni. Úgyérzem mindenkinek joga van eldonteni mi legyen a testével a halála után. Szerintem az nem megoldás egy hulyeségre ami alatt a mészárszékeket értem kitalálni még egy másikat hogy ketto legyen. De ha neked annyira fontos hogy a testedet állatok zabálják meg, csak tessék. Csupán annyit kérek tartsátok tiszteletben hogy másnak is egyenlo joga van eldonteni mi legyen a saját hullájával, a ti bíráskodásotok nélkul.
Egyébként egy dolgot elárulok. Destenitol jovo informáciok nem minden esetben igazak. Nem tudok arányt mondani, de tudok konkrét esetet. Sajnos nehéz a tobbséguket leellenorizni, de úgyvettem észre hogy specifikusan ferdítik el az igyzságot ártatlannak nemmondhato célokat kovetve. Persze ha már teljesen beburkolták az agyadat akkor ezt mondhatom neked. Eloszor én is hittem neki, de aztán tortént egyszer hogy egy dologban nagyon hosszan kotekedett az igazáért mintha valoban igaza lett volna. De én tudom hogy nemvolt. Azota tudom hogy nemlehet hinni neki. Ne hidd hogy annyira okos mint amilyennek teszi magát. Hallottam azt a "beszélgetést" is amit veled folytatott. Jo hogy el nem rohogte magát az okoskodás élvezetétol és attol hogy te mint a kezesbárány úgy vetted a lapot. Most befejezem, mára elég volt a borgokbol.



JozsefBerta válasz:

héjj...desteni is felszólít, hogy ne higgy
éld az abbahagyását az elmejátékoknak
éld az ön-intimitást, az ön-őszinteséget
éld a megbocsátást, éld a légzést és a belső stabilitást

desteni nem egy ember, egy csoport

meglátogattam őket, éltem velük, tapasztaltam milyen ott az élet

csak a hagyma külső rétegét látod

ez nem desteniről szól, ez rólad
el tudod fogadni magad úgy ahogy, vagy, az örökkévalóságig?
ez a gyakorlatiasságról szól, aminek a "tesztje" a mindenkinek jó-e az, ahogy élek dolog...

vagy vannak még pontok, amikkel kapcsolatban szeretnél változni és akkor tudatosságot és stabilitást fejleszthetsz úgy, hogy megismered magad és képessé válsz minden pillanatban az irányítóelv, mint jelenlég megmaradni

évek óta ismerem az embereket, akik ezzel foglalkoznak, elsősorban magamon és másodsorban rajtuk is látom, milyen az, amikor az ember használja a desteni által javasolt módszereket, mint az

írott, kimondott, megélt specifikus önmegbocsátás
őszinteségben és feltétel nélküli írás és annak másokkal való megosztása - azaz a titkos elme leleplezése és feltárása

stbstb de ha figyeled "őket", akkor ezeket már tudod

s pont ez az a tudás, ami ha nincs gyakorlatba ültetve, akkor csak handabanda

szóval ez a kiindulópont, mint alapelv, mint egység és egyenlőség, mint élet, mint jelenlét a pillanatban, mint a teljesség - ez az amit ki lehet fejleszteni és ha hiszed, ha nem, erre vannak élő példák szerte a világban...

persze az embereknek általában az nem engedi látni és tapasztalni, hogy valójában fizikailag mi történik az ún. valóságban, amijük nekik saját maguknak van - birtokban, családban, drogban, alkoholban, szexben, vagy netalántán hit akármiféle istenben, karmában, megvilágosodásban, anyagi önérdekben vagy akármi, amivel épp el vannak foglalva - s ezáltal abba kapaszkodva még azt sem tapasztalhatják meg, hogy kik ők saját maguk és mi is folyik a világban és a többiekkel...

tehát az, ha valakit bannolnak - az elég radikálisnak tűnhet, meg mindenki ezen sír, hogy mindcontrol, meg cult, meg ilyenek - de egyszerűen nincs elég erőforrásuk, hogy a sok kritizálót megválaszolják - mert ez az önállóságról is szól - hogy ha az ember tök egyedül képes felébredni, kiállni és bizonyítani, hogy a mindenkiért való legjobbért akár még az önmaguk ideájáról is lemondanak -- addig igazából nemigen van miről beszélni

addig nem igazán az ember önmaga szembesül magával, direkt cselekedetként, ha úgy tetszik, mint a teremtő, a teremtés és a teremtett egyesült, öntudatos, stabil kifejezése - hanem, mint sodródó báb reagál a külvilág intenzívnek és zavarodottnak tűnő káoszára, hogy a túlélést és az energiát és az öndefinícióját megóvja az őrülettől és egy kis örömet is képes legyen nyerni...

kb az első ezer videó, főleg az interjúk és a "rendszer", a "szerkezeti rezonancia" és a rendszer démonok, a dizján sorozatok őszinte, nyitott tanulmányozása és önmagunkra tudatosított (az én életemben ez mi is lehet, vagy van-e ilyen) aktív cselekedete nélkül az egész csak kb annyira valós, mint a gyűrűk ura...

viszont az én tapasztalatom és persze többeké is, azokkal, akikkel kapcsolatban vagyok -- a desteni "módszerről", a SRA kurzusról, hogy ezzel a tudással, ha gyakorlatba van ültetve - az ember sokkal de sokkal hatékonyabban képes önmagát megtapasztalni, ha kell kijavítani, és hatékonyabbá válni helyzetekben és ráadásul olyan stabillá válhat, hogy másokat is támogathat, úgy, hogy nem felelősséget vesz át, hanem mutat --

szóval ezek elég érdekes dolgok, az, hogy a portál mennyire valódi, az nem kérdés, persze az, hogy az ember a portállal beszélget, az nem arról szól, hogy elhiszem-e, hogy ez most tényleg a "real deal" - én többszázszor meggyőződhettem arról, hogy ez nem kamu, nem olyan, amit pár ember kitalálhat - a mélysége, a rendszeressége, a stabilitása és a hatékonysága ezeknek az interjúknak olyan öntudatosságra nyernek betekintést, amire mindannyiunk képessé válhatunk, ha hajlandóak vagyunk az elmét elengedve megtapasztaljuk az igazi énünket....

szóval én csak egy vagyok, aki azt mondja, hogy desteni nem kamuzik, tudják mit beszélnek, ez ennyi - nem célom, hogy ezt elhitessem, de nincs olyan tény e földön, ami megmásítaná ezt a tapasztalatom - mert magamat tapasztalom, s ha eltűnne a desteni banda egytől egyig - én akkor is önmagam a desteni módszerekkel - amik tényleg egyszerűek és tényleg a józan paraszti észt veszik alapul, meg az egység és egynlőség alapelvet a gyakorlatba ültetve - folytatnám az önmegbocsátás és írás és ön-intimitást amíg csak élek - vagy magam kis "történeteivel" vagy másokéval a környezetemben kapcsolatban...

az én életem persze egész szélsőséges, ha hallgatod az interjút velem, hallhatod, hogy nem igazán illeszkedtem be sosem ebbe a társadalomba úgy igazán belefeledkezve - és tényleg kipróbáltam igen sok módszert és kutattam sokmindent és mertem is megtapasztalni - és nagyon sok vallásos spirituális dolgot lepleztem le nem csak magamban, de másokban is, és az a tapasztalatom, hogy mindenki beszél és ímmel-ámmal "csinálja", miközben dualitásban leledznek, nem csak önmagukkal, de azzal kapcsolatban is, amit az életüknek hisznek -- én képes voltam, képes vagyok minden erőmmel beleadni magam abba, amit csinálok, és így mertem annyira őszinte lenni magammal, hogy realizáljam : azok a módszerek tökéletlenek voltak, mert azt nem vették figyelembe, ami valójában mindig ITT van: önmagam, akivé váltam, aki vagyok, aki leszek, mint én, mint mindenki egy és egyenlően éppen ebben a fizikai valóságban

s az én saját őszintétlenségeim és tökéletlenségeim jó ideig nyomták a vállam, míg egyszercsak rájöttem, hogy elméletben és gyakorlatban is meg tudok bocsátani magamnak - egy új esélyt bocsássak magamnak és ezáltal másoknak is, úgy, hogy változom, hogy leállok az önérdekről és kiállok minden életért nem csak elmében, hanem tettben is, és gyakorlati megoldásokat találni a jelenlegi helyzet megoldására, még ha az évtizedeket is vesz igénybe...

jah a kutyaeledel - minap éppen temetőben sétáltam és láttam, mi mindent és mi pénzt költenek csicsás sírokra és az általam meglátogatott kutyamenhelyen például mondták, hogy elég nehéz összeszedni annyi pénzt, hogy etessék őket - s ha az ember már felelős a kutyáért, aki mint a hűség és a feltétel nélküli szeretet élő példája - akkor miért ne adnám oda azt, ami már nekem nem kell - hiszen egy csomó ősi szent makogó is mindig erről írt, hát miért ne tegyem ezt?
egy mocsárba fulladni is romantikus lehet, ahol a férgek esznek meg, de akkor miért ne legyek tudatos még a halálomban és abban, ami azután történik a testemmel, ergo táplálék lesz belőle a kutyáknak, akikket tudok tisztelni és szeretni...

nem hiszem, hogy az ember a legtudatosabb a földön, annyi, hogy most a fizikai hatalma neki van a legtöbb, de ez a belülről fertőzöttség, ami mint egy faj - lelepleződni látszik abban, ahogy a természettel, önmagával bánik - és ebben minden egyed felelős, abban, hogy eltűri, hogy megengedi, hogy a másik véleménye megmaradjon, még akkor is, ha az ártó

mert, hogy "én tiszteletben tartom a te hited, de akkor te is tartsd tiszteletben az én hitem" - ez nagyon nagy önbecsapás, szóval kiállok az ön-őszinteségért és az életért, még ha az bántó és aggresszív is azoknak, akinek az ön-definícióját, ön-érdekét esetleg veszélyezteti

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